tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post115090002680917704..comments2024-03-20T03:12:56.498-05:00Comments on Lou Anders: That Skiffy SmellLou Andershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00694362734492222851noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post-1150989269686022742006-06-22T10:14:00.000-05:002006-06-22T10:14:00.000-05:00I knew someone was going to call me on my, ahem, l...I knew someone was going to call me on my, ahem, liberal use of the term liberal. But I think you still take my point. <BR/><BR/>As to science fiction having done it to itself, possibly, but no one judges the latest James Patterson or Patricia Cornwell as being on the same level as Sneaky Pie Brown the crime solving cat, even though they are both in the same genre. I think the stink can be overcome, and will, and this distancing we are seeing now may actually be part of it. Back in 1992, when TNG was at its height, there was no stink associated with Trek. You saw young married couples with their kids at the Pasadena conventions, and people had "Picard and Riker in '92" and "Star Fleet Academy" stickes on their cars. Back then, you either watched TNG or Melrose Place on Monday Nights, and I remember being in a pre-Starbucks coffee shop in Chicago and hearing four different tables whispering "Spock is going to be on Next Generation tonight! Spock is going to be on Next Generation tonight!" and I realized that TNG was mainstream. They dropped this ball and they dropped it HARD, and the stink rushed back in, but for a brief period quality broke through to mainstream recognition, which is what's happening to Battlestar Galactica now. Also, as a long time Batmaniac, let me tell you the stink of Adam West clung on to that franchise for decades and decades, but it's gone now. All it took was one film to do it right and the smell dissipated. <BR/><BR/>Also, this is largely a problem the film/tv industry & its news media has with itself - obviously the general public don't care or SF&F wouldn't overwhelmingly dominate the boxoffice.Lou Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00694362734492222851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post-1150958556427114942006-06-22T01:42:00.000-05:002006-06-22T01:42:00.000-05:00I've thought about this a lot, and I have to say, ...I've thought about this a lot, and I have to say, I think SF did this to itself. People with character based stories want to say 'it's not science fiction', because science fiction has often (genuinely) meant stories without characters. You and I know that there's lots of characterful hard SF, but there's also, still, lots of non-characterful hard SF, and that's what people are distancing themselves from. Nobody in big budget film-making says 'it's not SF' because they have different issues about character. In short, I have sympathy with those who do this, because they're doing the only thing they can, often while being SF fans, to fan a real smell away from them.<BR/><BR/>And, erm, the liberals didn't free the slaves, did they? Although you might say Lincoln was an economic liberal, that term has swayed in all directions, and Churchill chased it across three parties.Paul Cornellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366796946594435087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post-1150918299423863862006-06-21T14:31:00.000-05:002006-06-21T14:31:00.000-05:00Jose,one of my favorite moments recently came when...Jose,<BR/>one of my favorite moments recently came when talking to the owner of Crosshaven Books, a good indendent bookstore here in town. The owner explained that she didn't read SF, and I thought, "here it comes." But instead of saying she found it cold or geeky or childish or any of the expected criticisms-out-of-ignorance I was prepared for, she said she thought it was very smart, challenging and important material - over her head, not beneath her contempt. Crosshaven, btw, is interested in expanding their SF section. They are online at www.crosshavenbooks.com and I urge anyone in the south east interested in encouraging them to give them some support.Lou Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00694362734492222851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post-1150918069940140992006-06-21T14:27:00.000-05:002006-06-21T14:27:00.000-05:00Michael,What reviews are you reading? Seems to me ...Michael,<BR/>What reviews are you reading? Seems to me like all the old guard are complaining that the science has been leeching out of the fiction for years now, while fantasy looms and true science fiction dwindles. <BR/><BR/>But I agree with you that telling a good story is of foremost importance. Not, however, sole importance, else why work in this genre at all?Lou Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00694362734492222851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post-1150914250290408262006-06-21T13:24:00.000-05:002006-06-21T13:24:00.000-05:00I think the focus should be on the story, first an...I think the focus should be on the story, first and foremost. A good story will naturally fit into some genre somewhere, but I find the desire in today’s society to “label” everything a bit disconcerting. Who cares what genre it is in the end. If the story is good, it should stand on its own merits. I think the only purpose that labels serve is to give people the opportunity to prejudge something before really investigating its worth.<BR/><BR/>Although, I can see how all of us in the SF community got into this mess. Over the last several years, SF has seemingly focused more on science first, then story, with characters thrown in at the end, if there’s time (and enough money to print a few more signatures). The science is a critical part of what makes SF so special, but I read more and more book reviews of critics who take apart the science of a novel, while devoting little time to really critique the story.<BR/><BR/>If the focus is on good solid stories that everybody can enjoy, then I think this whole genre argument is moot. People read, go to the movies, and watch TV to immerse themselves in fantastic stories. If the SF community focuses on giving the public these great stories, the label will not matter in the end. People will be too busy enjoying themselves to care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11303103.post-1150910361063853422006-06-21T12:19:00.000-05:002006-06-21T12:19:00.000-05:00Well, ignorance of the genre is one thing. Knowled...Well, ignorance of the genre is one thing. Knowledge + disavowal is another. But I take your point.<BR/><BR/>And yes, some folks will never see beyond the label and that's there loss. But then, some folks will never see beyond the label "jazz" or "opera" or "cartoon" either.Lou Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00694362734492222851noreply@blogger.com